I recently received a letter from a friend of mine that he wrote regarding issues that are of concern to him, as well as other faithful believers in the Adventist church. Some of these issues are larger than others, in my opinion. However, the overall letter brings many thought-provoking issues to the forefront and should spark serious conversation in any circle regarding the direction of our denomination. I present the letter as I received it, unedited, with the permission of the author (here is the original scan of pg1 and pg2). Let me know what you think. Down the road I will probably pick up a few of these topics and run with it. In a few days, you’ll get the GC response letter as well. ;-)

February 25, 2006

Dear Friends,

I have been S.D.A. for some thirty years. During this time, not once have I contacted the Conference by phone or letter to complain or criticize - nor is this my wish now.

May I say that I believe:

1. The 25 fundamentals as taught by our early pioneers
2. The ministry of Ellen White
3. Health reform
4. Dress Reform
5. Sabbath reform
6. Christian recreation
7. True Christian education, etc.

And it is my desire and determination to teach these principles to others, and practice them by God’s grace, and His indwelling Holy Spirit.

What is my concern?

1. Changes in our fundamental beliefs
2. Pastors and teachers who do not believe in the Spirit of Prophecy or our doctrines
3. Leaders and lay members alike who do not believe in health reform, dress reform, Sabbath reform, Christian recreation, or true Christian education, etc.

Here are some examples:

The Bible and Spirit of Prophecy teach plainly what is to be our position on these points, and yet -

1. Many among God’s professed people are still using coffee, tea, cola drinks, meat, milk, eggs, and cheese (James 4:17).
2. There is a lack of reverence in the sanctuary; with eating, drinking, clapping, gossip (Mathew 18:15), and worldly conversation (like being at a picnic), coming to church dressed for a ballgame, and with some of the girls/women dressed in such a way that could cause their brothers in Christ to stumble morally (Leviticus 19:30).
3. Going to school, or out to eat on the Sabbath (Exodus 20:10).
4. Getting involved in politics, labor unions, or secret societies.
5. Having a church manual.
6. Wearing wedding rings, makeup, and jewelry.
7. Dancing, theater going, card playing, and reading novels.
8. Drama and mime in church.
9. Seeking worldly education, or accreditation for our schools.
10. Earning or conferring Degrees.
11. Use of, or prescribing drugs; Upon request, offering pork in our hospitals.
12. Abortion (6th commandment).
13. Yoking up with non-SDA hospitals (2 Corinthians 6:14).
14. Lawsuits (1 Corinthians 6, and GC 443). And who tricked the church into obtaining 501c3 status? This places the church under government sanction. And trade marking the name SDA? When the church incorporated, it switched from being a church to being a business.
15. Halloween and Christmas parties, participating in Easter sunrise services, and conducting regular Sunday church services.
16. Disfellowshipping faithful pastors and lay members, as well as whole churches and Conferences.
17. Competitive sports.
18. The Celebration Movement, NLP, worldly music, and the use of drama in church.
19. Ecumenism, pulpit swapping, membership in the WCC/NCC.
20. Changing our beliefs and standards through errors in the Sabbath school quarterlies.
21. Divorce and remarriage (Luke 16:18).
22. Tolerating homosexuality and adultery in the church (7th commandment).
23. Military service (violates the 4th and 6th commandments).
24. Improper use of tithe funds (like paying teacher salaries, investing in the stock market - a form of gambling, and buying shopping centers).
25. Women elders, women pastors, and women’s ordination (1 Timothy 3:2).
26. Practicing open communion.
27. Confusion over the 144,000, the nature of Christ, and the trinity (The trinity is a Roman Catholic teaching).
28. Dozens of Roman Catholic references in the church hymnal.
29. Steeples on our churches (From sun worship).
30. Logo change. No one asked for - or got a vote of approval from me. (Our new church logo is on the floor at the Vatican).
31. Church structure and organization founded on a hierarchy like Roman Catholicism. Roman Catholics are sincere and precious (Rev. 18:14). Though having a Christian appearance, Roman Catholicism is largely derived from paganism, and much of the church’s teachings are based on tradition rather than scripture (Matthew 15:9).
32. Trashy books used as required reading or textbooks in our schools.
33. Promoting books of a “new order” such as those written by Morris Venden, and others. And just as washing his hands before the people did not cleanse Pilot from the blood of Jesus, placing a disclaimer in the front of new books does not remove responsibility from our printing establishments of producing sound, truth-filled literature.

What are we if we do something that we do not believe, or believe something that we do not do? According to Revelation 12:17 and Revelation 19:10, the remnant are those who keep the commandments and follow the Spirit of Prophecy counsel. My conclusion? The denomination is no longer Seventh-day Adventist.

(Signed) Jim Keesler

So there you have it in it’s entirety, as originally written with all emphasis supplied by the author. What do you think? Misguided, but sincere? Off the wall? What do you think Ellen White, James White, Uriah Smith, J.N. Andrews, etc. would think if they were to walk onto the scene today? Before you make that conclusion, you might want to check out our latest podcast over at The Historic Adventist, where we are featuring a full-length sermon from Bishop Stephen Lewis of Present Truth Ministries, entitled, “No New Organization“. You might find it a little enlightening. See you there!

9 Responses to “33 Adventist Issues Presented To The General Conference”

  1. Quote “30. Logo change. No one asked for - or got a vote of approval from me. (Our new church logo is on the floor at the Vatican).”

    I couldn’t find an image of the logo on the Vatican floor. Is there one avaliable for viewing?

  2. And we as SDAs wonder why the world sees as nothing more than legalists? Thank you Keesler for reaffirming that stereotype.

  3. Mr. Keesler is 100% correct. Obeying GOD is not legalism, obeying man is. The General Conference is in outright aposatasy. Therefore it IS babylon.

  4. Thanks for all of the comments on this post! Keep ‘em coming … I personally think we must obey God rather than man. As for the GC being Babylon, I’m not 100% convinced of that, at this time. At some point in the future, maybe.

    I’m open for more info … pass it on!

  5. Hi Wayne,

    In answer to your question, I’m not sure. Stephen Lewis said this. Go to this link, and ask;

    http://www.thepresenttruth.org/index.htm

    It really doesn’t matter if the new church logo is on the floor at the vatican or not. If you look at it carefully, you will find that it is actually upside down (which is satanic). So my question would be why do WE have this logo?

  6. Many things here that are unverifiable, and some that are against the Bible. But all-in-all, true.

    1. There are no 25 fundamentals as taught by our early pioneers, unless you count the first church manual printed in the 1880s.
    5. Having a church manual is not a sin. Making it into a creed is tho. There was a church manual as early as the 1880s.
    14. I thot the church incorporated in 1863 so as to hold property legally. Am i mistaken?
    15. The SOP says it is fine to have some kind of Christmas celebration.
    24. The stock market is not a form of gambling. However, this person is correct that church money, especially tithe!, should not be used in the stock market. The stock market is investing in business’ future returns, and instead of God’s people lending to the world, the world should be lending to us!
    27. The Trinity is NOT Roman Catholic teaching. The Bible is clear about the Godhead, and so is the SOP.
    29. laugh
    30. Prove it. But on a deeper note, why do we have to have any logo at all?
    31. We are more hierarchal than we should be, but some is fine. A Congregationalist form of church government is NOT best.

    After reading this, i came to doubt the first part of this article. It looks very similar to things i’ve seen on the net for many years. It looks like this person just copied and pasted. Is that the case?

    Our SDA church is NOT Babylon, but we must sigh and cry for the abominations that are done in Jerusalem (Exekiel 9), and heed the cousel of the true witness to the Laodiceans.

  7. Hi There Mr. Keesler,

    I remember seeing this letter…I believe you sent it to Pastor Lewis’ office when I was an administrator there. Did you send him a copy? But more important, Did the GC ever respond?

  8. Mr. Perch,

    Welcome to the blog! I’m glad to see you found this post and conversation - it has been a very lively one for over a year now.

    Just to update this thread so everyone can follow along, yes, Jim did receive a response from James Cress of the Ministerial Association. You can find the complete text of this letter, as well as scanned copies here:

    http://abundantrest.org/james-.....etter/113/

    as well as my analysis of the two letters:

    http://abundantrest.org/james-.....etter/113/

    We look forward to you sharing your opinion, and I hope you find some light here on the blog for your walk with Christ.

  9. Johnny Brainetree
    March 16th, 2008 at 1:27 pm

    I found this thread while exploring the topic “Morris Venden” in Google. I found item #33 on Jim Keesler’s list very interesting and tried to find a way to communicate with Jim. I believe Jim’s concerns are very worthy and they are shared by many, many Seventh-day Adventists. I do not judge Jim Keesler in the least, but regret very much that he would turn in his membership.

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